[issue897] removal of window managers
Björn Faath <bts@bts.grml.org> at deb.grml.org
Björn Faath <bts@bts.grml.org> at deb.grml.org
Thu Dec 16 01:01:52 CET 2010
Björn Faath <bfaath at googlemail.com> added the comment:
Hi
Please don´t touch the dwm wm on grml. I use it, so give it a try.
Perhaps there is no need for fluxbox by myself ;-)
nice would see i3 wm manager instead.
leinex
2010/12/15 greg <bts at bts.grml.org>
>
> greg <gcschroed at yahoo.co.uk> added the comment:
>
> Thanks for the invitation to argue (and thank you and the devs for grml,
> btw) :)
>
> So based on the responses I have to base my argument on (1) _size_ occupied
> by
> the programs and (2) "too many", roughly that "10" options provides too
> many
> choices (3) many of the expendable wms are "not properly configured".
> Finally
> (4) some comments about the linked removal of software in your list.
>
> (1) program size
> ----------------
>
> - : 12 kb
> evilwm --
> dwm --
> w9wm ---
> ratpoison -----------
> jwm -----------
> twm ------------
> wmii* -------------
> openbox* ------------------------
> awesome* --------------------------
> fvwm2
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> pekwm
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> fluxbox*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The above is a graphic representation of the size of the installed binaries
> with
> the scale topmost. Now the real quantity of interest is of course the size
> of
> the binary, docs, dependencies as compressed and stored on the GRML iso.
> Some of
> the appropriate figures are provided in this thread but not for all the
> wms,
> however there is a correspondence and the real quanties make the case even
> stronger and I'll include it as an appendix.
> The "*" above marks those wms mooted for inclusion and basically shows the
> fallacious logic if program _size_ is the issue: "to save space let's
> remove
> thosethat occupy the least space and retain the largest non-tiling manager
> and
> two largest tiling managers". To re-phrase: "Let's save space by removing
> those
> wms that save the most space".
>
> (2) "too many"
> --------------
> Okay, let's just assume that "about 10" is "too many", based say on a
> one-to-one
> correspondence with our fingers and that "4" is a decent-sized number. Then
> of
> those 4 a user has a choice of 2 tiling and 2 non-tiling wms. So great? Not
> really. I don't really know what criteria were used to filter out those
> four wms
> but if there were any they could be better. For eg. a "user of text tools"
> usually has one problem: competing keybindings. Gnu screen overcomes this
> by
> having an escapable, configurable escape key, and so does ratpoison. The
> only
> other _general_ solution is to use a mouse and menus -- but this is the
> only
> type of wm presented amongst the 4 *wms -- a bit strange for a distro aimed
> at
> "users of text tools". Those of us who want to run X, a terminal
> multiplexer and
> still have _all_ our keybindings available for zsh, emacs, vim etc are left
> choiceless.
> Anyway, take another look at the chart above to see that "1" can be "too
> many"
> when that one is fluxbox and "3" "not too many" when the three are evilwm,
> dwm
> and w9wm.
>
> (3) wms "not properly configured"
> ---------------------------------
> Here let me first say that I really like the default grml configuration for
> zsh,
> screen, vim etc. But generally, in the absence of "your" configuration
> files,
> and particularly for wms, it is better to have a vanilla configuration.
> Just
> swap the .emacs files of two hackers if you want proof.
>
> (4) linked software removal
> ---------------------------
> ratmenu is a general menu that works well with ratpoison; it can be used
> with
> any window manager. Linking it to removal of ratpoison is the same as
> removing pd
> menu with dwm because it has a "d" in common.
> dwm-tools I think has now become suckless-tools and may be a requirement
> for
> wmii. dmenu may be included in that package and again it too is used by
> people
> who aren't necessarily running dwm. Other people (than me) will know better
> about the suckless software.
>
> Appendix (1) program size
> -------------------------
> Keep:
> fluxbox 1300
> fvwm2 746
> openbox 292
> wm-ng (is just a simple wrapper script to start fluxbox with gkrellm and
> desktop icons)
> Considered for removal:
> dwm 180 28
> evilwm 94 24
> fvwm 14700 746
> fvwm2-crystal 5104
> jwm 299 135
> pekwm 1253 792
> twm 397 149
> w9wm 127 36
> Further discuss keep/removal of:
> awesome 2785 + 446 309
> rapoison 528 128
> wmii 401 159
>
> The first numeric column (provided by Mika) appears to be the appropriate
> size
> (in kb) while the the second numeric column is the size (in kb) of the
> installed
> binary (grml2009.10).
>
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> messages: 3334, 3337, 3400, 3401, 3407, 3408, 3409, 3410, 3411, 3452, 3453,
> 3454, 3455, 3456, 3457, 3458, 3459, 3460, 3461, 3462, 3471, 3472, 3473,
> 3476, 3477, 3479, 3480, 3631, 3634, 3635
> nosy: abe, mika, mru
> priority: wish
> status: fixed-in-git
> title: removal of window managers
> topic: grml-etc-core, release-stopper
>
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nosy: abe, mika, mru
priority: wish
status: fixed-in-git
title: removal of window managers
topic: grml-etc-core, release-stopper
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